Nass, you surely recall that I said upfront that W...

2009-06-11T09:50:37.916-07:00

Nass, you surely recall that I said upfront that Wilson condemns Kinists (me, I'd go for something stronger than "vainglorious," but it's clear he doesn't like them), and I'm sure you don't really take literally the (false) axiom of "saved by race, not by grace," which I used as hyperbole to introduce the grotesque racism of the Kinist crowd. You've asked me to confirm, verify, prove, or otherwise demonstrate why I believe that the filth of Kinism -- and it is filthy -- has filtered into some of Reformed/Reconstructionist theology, both here and elsewhere. I will, then, devote as much time as I can to the subject, demonstrating that there is a coziness with, if not undiscerning acceptance of, ideas and people whose message is an insult to the Gospel -- and that Wilson is guilty of some of that. For the record, I don't believe that Wilson is a racist; I've made this point a zillion times. I believe he is something even worse: A man who practices and preaches an insouciance toward racial sensitivity and acts of bigotry that is wholly at odds with the preaching and living out of the Gospel. To be blunt: He lacks consideration of how his words (actions, affiliations, etc.) affect those outside of the Church who then wrongly assume that careless bigotry is a hallmark of Spirit-filled living. To be more blunt: His gleeful way of offering up unnecessary offense and shameful skylarking sullies the Gospel. Publishing an apologetic for snottiness, "The Serrated Edge," doesn't legitimize it. So, there's the thesis, Nass, and there's more, much more, to come.

Keely, I have not encountered any Kinists who "bel...

2009-06-11T08:05:19.610-07:00

Keely, I have not encountered any Kinists who "believe they're saved by race, not by grace." Neither have I encountered any who would affirm the contrary, that some people are damned on account of their race.

Would you please spell out exactly what you mean by "evil done in the name of Christ -- evil that too often finds itself encouraged, if not expressed, locally" and "the Reconstructionist/Kinist/Neo-Confederate/hyper-Libertarian mix these people call covenant, Reformed Christianity"?

It seems to me you are seriously conflating things that go together about as naturally as two magnetic poles of the same polarity. It's highly ironic that Doug Wilson simultaneously catches hell from Kinists and from you.

You claim "the racist, pro-South, anti-government, patriarchal thread of Christendom has been woven into too much of Christ Church's fabric of faith and practice . . . presents a false Gospel and a message of exclusion . . . and it needs to be confronted by . . . Spirit-enlivened Trinitarians."

You neither define racism nor show how Wilson is racist, or show how it is inimical to the gospel message. I'm not saying racism (whatever it is) is biblical; I’m saying you are making many unsupported assertions and applying labels without defining them. Has Wilson ever taught being "saved by race, not by grace"? Wilson's being "pro-South" is not an endorsement of everything the South did or stood for. You should probably ask Voddie Baucham about Wilson's racism and pro-South sentiments. "Anti-government"? No Christian is anti-government insofar as we believe in the Holy Spirit helping us submit to God's commandments. All Christians believe in government. But you mean of course that he is anti civil magistrate, which is still ridiculous. He prays for civil magistrates constantly and he calls on them to depart from evil to receive God’s blessings.

As for being "patriarchal," that's just another way of saying he's in favor of strong traditional families that are essential to societal vitality. So . . . being against omni-oppressive civil government is bad, but being against traditional family government is good? Hmm . . .

Tell me how any of this is a "false gospel." And please, no straw men. There are plenty of ways of being very wrong without necessarily negating the gospel. Even if Wilson was guilty of serious error in all the areas you mentioned, that would not constitute presenting a false gospel.

The real hoot is that Wilson's is said to be a message of exclusion. Well, if you're so inclusive, perhaps you could find room for Doug Wilson. But no, he needs to be confronted by "Spirit-enlivened" people -- is he spiritually dead?

Again, where you set out what you understand to be Kinist distinctives, you fail to establish a link with Wilson.

Do Kinists really teach that God particularly demands the purity of the dominant Anglo culture in the United States? If white Southerners are "ultimately God-favored," God sure has a strange way of showing His favor. And why should Southerners' "dominance" be "a proper fruit of the Gospel" when the Southerners never wanted anything except to be left alone to mind their own business?

Again, continuing through your post, where did any Kinist (let alone Doug Wilson) ever claim "white superiority in the name of Jesus"? Where does Doug Wilson espouse "ethnic separation and superiority"? Where did a Kinist ever argue that "superiority" has got something to do with the price of eggs?

In the context of your post, I can only assume you mean pastor Wilson, Christ Church and affiliated ministries when you speak of "'respectable' organizations and ministries that try to cover [racist filth] with the rank fragrance of manufactured historical and theological validity." You really do need to either put up or shut up, Keely. Either show us, or slither and slather that slander of a minister of the gospel right back under the rock from whence your so-called "righteous" anger emerged.

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